It's one of those moments when science can bring you the transcendent, and I still hold dear the bond I share with all my fellow humans so well exemplified by a simple map backed by decades of research. I highly recommend it to all and think it should be compulsory for anyone convicted of racist offences.
But what of Prabhupada? What were the founder of the Hare Krishna's views on racism?
On Hitler
Sometimes he becomes a great hero -- just like Hiranyakasipu and Kamsa or, in the modern age, Napoleon or Hitler. The activities of such men are certainly very great. (See VedaBase.net)
Ah, yes. So these English people, they were very expert in making propaganda. They killed Hitler by propaganda. I don't think Hitler was so bad man. (June 17, 1976, Toronto)
No, no. Hitler knew it [the atom bomb]. . . . No, no. He knew it, everything, but he did not like to do it. He said. He said. He was gentleman. But these people are not gentlemen. He knew it perfectly well. He said that "I can smash the whole world, but I do not use that weapon." The Germans already discovered. But out of humanity they did not use it. And all the, your American, other countries, they have stolen from German ideas. (November 20, 1975, Bombay)
Therefore Hitler killed these Jews. They were financing against Germany. Otherwise he had no enmity with the Jews. . . . And they were supplying. They want interest money -- "Never mind against our country." Therefore Hitler decided, "Kill all the Jews." (January 23, 1977, Bhuvanesvara)On African Americans
But his bodily feature, he was a black man. The black man means sudra. The brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya, they were not black. But the sudras were black. (Los Angeles, January 1, 1974)
Sudra is to be controlled only. They are never given to be freedom. Just like in America. The blacks were slaves. They were under control. And since you have given them equal rights they are disturbing, most disturbing, always creating a fearful situation, uncultured and drunkards. What training they have got? They have got equal right? That is best, to keep them under control as slaves but give them sufficient food, sufficient cloth, not more than that. Then they will be satisfied. (San Francisco 9 April, 1968)
It is all nonsense civilization. A first-class Rolls Royce car, and who is sitting there? A third-class negro. This is going on. You'll find these things in Europe and America. This is going on. A first-class car and a third-class negro. (October 5, 1975, Mauritius)
Certainly we are not going to say these things about the negro people publicly... So, you can understand that these talks are not for the public, as they have not got the ability to understand. (9 April 1968)
On Native Americans
Sudras have no brain. In America also, the whole America once belonged to the Red Indians. Why they could not improve? The land was there. Why these foreigners, the Europeans, came and improved? So sudras cannot do this. They cannot make any correction. (Ref. VedaBase => John Dewey)
On the 'Master Race'
So on the whole, the conclusion is that the Aryans spread in Europe also, and the Americans, they also spread from Europe. So the intelligent class of human being, they belong to the Aryans, Aryan family. Just like Hitler claimed that he belonged to the Aryan family. Of course, they belonged to the Aryan families. (Ref. VedaBase => Bhagavad-gita 9.3 -- Melbourne, April 21, 1976)
Siberia is considering banning some of Prabhupada's work. While I'm not in favour of banning books, I see no valid objection to counting the statements above in the same category as Mein Kampf.
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The world is yet to see the full horror of Zion and the international Jewish/Illuminati banking / media empire. As usual Srila Prabhupada is completely accurate and uncompromising. Jai Prabhupada!
you can see how dangerous prabhupada's teachings are from the above comment. these cult zombies would happily kill for Prabhupada and his racist, sexist cult teachings
you can see how dangerous prabhupada's teachings are from the above comment. these cult zombies would happily kill for Prabhupada and his racist, sexist cult teachings
Prabhupad was like a moon, in the same way as the spots on the moon do not play any role in diminishing the moonshine, so a few statements seemingly negative do not hamper Prabhupadas divine qualities, and his immense contribution to this world. Privately we may bring here and there some comments about so many things, like seeing a black people or gipsy people or anyone else stilling or smuggling drugs or so and comment; oh! Look those blacks, or those gypsies or anyone else by putting a label on the whole race of those as being criminals. Many times we do say such comments in different circumstances and environment, let’s admit. But’ do we really think that way in general, of course not, unless we are really, really racists, and this attitude is reflected in our day to day behavior and mentality. Prabhupada wasn’t definitely racist or sexist in his dealing. He gave equal chance to everyone. We have to rise above bodily and mental platform; he was stressing this again and again. By the way, in a same way as there are different grades and hierarchy on the higher planets, according to development of intelligence, the same thing is across the entire material universe and also on this planet. According to our desires we are born in certain body and place, race etc. So some “races” are more inclined to certain activities higher or lower and have certain mentality. Blacks for example have bodies more capable for sense enjoyment. Muscular bodies, very sensual, but also inclined to crime, by nature. I’ve being in Africa, and there you really have to watch for thieves, nice guys, friendly but I had to carefully watch my belongings at all the time.
Certain souls are put in certain bodies, to act according to their desire, but we have to dismantle that mentality. Prabupada wanted to teach us that. Many of his statement are proven true, and many are emerging now as probably true. How much of history is actually true? For example, information from 2nd world war, things that we have being taught in the school, and pumped over decades? Truth is vastly different. Statements bout Hitler and Jews could be more closer to truth than we are able to accept in this moment, the same is with other statements of Prabhupada. But time will show it all. And of course don’t accept that Prabhupad was perfect in every field of these material affairs. He himself said so, it is not that guru knows everything of this world, but he knows everything you need to go back to Godhead. And ofcourse Prabhupada was influenced by british education system, you can note this in his writing, his expression, style, vocabulary etc, so those statements are influenced by these, and also by statements of Sastras, like statements about shudras etc. So, look from another angle, transcend these bodily designations. Prabhupad didn’t teach us to be racists or sexists, or any bodily or mental designation; neither had he acted on that platform. He was like amoon, his rays are not diminished by few spots in a form of statements in certain circumstances, upon which we are now debate, due of our own bodily platform. Let’s rise above that, chant Hare Krishna together, quit this world which is designed to frustrate us from this angle or from that angle, and go back to our original state and gain our real ’’spiritual’’ body, which doesn’t have the designation we bark about, like we do here…
Hare Krishna, to all brothers and sisters here, in this world…..lets go home!
Many people — in fact the vast majority — are taught to revile Adolf Hitler to such an extent that they are willing to believe the most atrocious and ridiculous things about him. Many describe his book Mein Kampf as evil without even reading a single page. It is certainly true what Śrila Prabhupada said; we have killed Hitler with propaganda, mindlessly, without ever truly understanding him, or in fact, bothering to do so. The truth is that Adolf Hitler was a man of conviction, he absolutely believed what he said and was willing to stand by his words. This is something unfamiliar, even alien to the people of today. Adolf Hitler was a man from another age, the age of truth. And we of the Kali Yuga rejected him because of it.
Interesting information on the "holocaust" for your edification: http://inpursuitofhappiness.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/the-first-holocaust/
I joined Iskcon and realized it was nonsense. The founder told them no coffee or tobacco, while he had to have his snuff box taken everywhere. He misinterpreted scriptures to reflect his own woman hating opinions, and made up nonsense about women having half the brain size of men. Iskcon in the USA went bankrupt paying child abuse victims, including sexual abuse to children, while saying a husband and wife should only have sex once when the woman is fertile and they have to think of Krishna while doing it.
Prabhupada calls Hitler a hero in the ironic sense as Hiranyakasipu was a hero. Hiranyakasipu was the greatest demon ever. And Prabhupada absolutely branded Hitler a demon. Prabhupada never took snuff. You are insane and a liar. You and the rest of these envious detractors of Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON are a bunch of do nothings. You're all too lazy to do devotional service, so you invent justification for your sloth. And Srila Prabupada said not to confuse what he said casually in informal conversations with his scriptural translations. It's the sastra, the holy writings, which are the only things that count. Now, drop the bodily concept of life and engage yourself in devotional service. We are all the same, souls trapped within a material body, regardless of type. Chant Hare Krsna and get off the matrix!
Did he say anything wrong? Expressing moral outrage at unpopular opinions doesn't prove anything wrong.
My experience of Iskcon....a racist organization. That was, maybe still is an unusually unkind sometimes cruel association. Very much based on the color of ones skin or gender. A white blue eyed
blonde male would be especially welcome, everybody else not so much...and later blacks were actually discouraged from joining, basically because they were not the demographic iskcon was looking for. For many years I separated Prabhupada from the organizations racism. but now I'm not sure that can be done , that its not honest to make that distinction. That organization broke my heart. Truly heartbreaking, to have known so many sincere seekers abused by their callous leadership. A bitter lesson, I pray if there is a Godhead, please consider the harm that was done, don't ignore the sincere seekers who went looking for your love in the wrong place, wrong time.
Hitler was right. Prabhupada was right. The degenerate marxists that make up a large proportion of ISKCON want to pretend Prabhupada did not mean what he said. Rather than humble themselves and confront the Jewish cultural indoctrination they have been subjected to their whole lives, and accept that races and the sexes have different qualities, according to the will of Krishna, they turn away from truth.
He meant it literally and he was right to do so. You need to learn more about Hitler, and not the demonic Jewish History Channel version.
Well said
Good point, and should we be concerned about the possible infiltration of Zionist elements in the GBC or not?
Yes Zionism was and is the greater villain, not Hitler. Historical references add weight to your rhetoric. As a white born South African I relate and have experience over 50 years. The generalisations are valid in racist ideology, fortunately there are the exceptions. And yet atma & paramatma reside within us all, some just more covered by nature and nurture.
I agree they are tainted, as is everything in material life. Still as a swan I found the milk amongst the water and learned some helpful yoga techniques to reside consciousness as a result, so one can find gems even in a filthy place.
I hear you.
Srila prabhupada was a legend
Prabhupad was an Indian chemist who had an opinion on everything (most of them wrong) but was good at the Godman business
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